*** Logfile started *** on Sun Jun 30 15:02:13 2013 [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:13 PM] Join You have joined the channel #wplug (~justin@dynamic-acs-24-101-115-46.zoominternet.net). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:13 PM] Topic The channel topic is "http://www.wplug.org/ - Western Pa. Linux Users Group | Hostmask cloaks are available". [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:13 PM] Topic The topic was set by patbarron!patbarron@nat/ibm/x-metwhuwthuejqcik on 02/07/13 02:04 PM. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:13 PM] URL Channel URL: http://www.wplug.org/ [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:16 PM] Mode Channel modes: no messages from outside [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:16 PM] Created This channel was created on 11/26/06 01:42 AM. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:17 PM] as long as it wasn't pledge week:) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:40 PM] Great, now you'll have 37 tote bags show up at your door. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:51 PM] You can never have too many tote bags! [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:02:58 PM] Heh! [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:03:07 PM] hehe each with a lemur in them [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:03:34 PM] :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:04:00 PM] Well, is everyone here? And not AFK? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:04:12 PM] (Joe...) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:04:30 PM] I think so. Do we want a separate channel, or just hang here? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:04:46 PM] i'm here. just grabbed a kombucha. :) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:05:07 PM] I don't think we need a separate room for something like this. If we can get some more participation, that's all the better. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:05:25 PM] Kombucha...tried it a while ago, didn't care for it. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:05:30 PM] I hate all carbonated drinks. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:06:08 PM] Well, let's go ahead and get started then. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:06:16 PM] indeed [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:06:32 PM] I think we can all agree that WPLUG's current site is absolutely horrible. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:06:39 PM] As in, it needs to be fumigated. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:06:56 PM] With what detergent shall we use? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:07:12 PM] or agent rather [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:07:19 PM] Well, I wouldn't go that far - but I would certainly agree that it hasn't gotten much TLC in far too long... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:07:46 PM] Up until this point, the WPLUG Board of Directors had pretty much settled on moving to WordPress. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:07:54 PM] Plus with our current constitutency, having the main site as a wiki is probably sub-optimal. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:08:09 PM] We did agree on that. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:08:25 PM] When I ran into Beth Lynn yesterday, she seemed...well, rather appalled that we'd consider moving away from a wiki. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:08:56 PM] She told me about a local fellow named Sage Ross who works for the wikimedia foundation. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:04 PM] Yes that sounds like her. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:12 PM] Apparently, he's one of their go-to guys for motivating people to contribute to a wiki. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:36 PM] The benefit of a wiki is that it opens up participation to everyone. Unfortunately, actual participation seems to only be done by few. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:54 PM] Exactly [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:57 PM] i say we move to drupal since I love working with it every day! (oh wait, i hate working with it. :)) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:09:58 PM] Yes, absolutely. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:08 PM] yeah, the participation is a big part of the problem [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:11 PM] (Definitely NOT absolutely to Drupal! haha...) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:22 PM] Basically, she thinks we should talk with Sage and try to rally support. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:31 PM] people... members are waiting for something to happen... What well that is another story [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:39 PM] She also suggested creating some of those Mozilla electronic badges and awarding them, as well as giving wiki contributors dedicated titles. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:53 PM] From a free software perspective, yes, a wiki would be ideal. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:10:57 PM] Plus, the underlying question is, *should* participation (in terms of updating WPLUG's wenb presence) be open to everyone? That's more a question of philosophy... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:11:32 PM] Precisely. I'm a big fan of UNIX design philosophy, in which there are many specialized tools rather than a few generic tools. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:12:15 PM] As long as participation in running the Web site is open, I don't see it as necessarily closing anything off. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:12:18 PM] i'm not opposed to us having a wiki, but it would be a subset of the site, not the majority of it [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:16 PM] Does what Beth Lynn said resonate with any of you? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:17 PM] Yes I agree there use the wiki for feedback from members, list lurkers and such. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:35 PM] What is Sage? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:36 PM] somebody said Sage was System Administrators' GuildE - http://www.sage.org/ [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:40 PM] i can't say i agree with her [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:13:54 PM] Of course, I think we've had most of these conversations before... I.e., in terms of more traditional web site, with a wiki as part of it. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:14:09 PM] Sage did come to a couple meetings. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:14:47 PM] http://www.wplug.org/wiki/User:Ragesoss [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:15:03 PM] He's apparently fairly well-known. He works directly with the Wikimedia foundation to foster participation in Wikipedia. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:15:36 PM] It doesn't sound like any of us feel any differently. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:15:48 PM] Ultimately, the question is - should WPLUG's primary web presence be a conduit for the organization to communicate with the public at large, or should be be ... well, whatever the community wants it to be at any given time? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:15:55 PM] happylemur: your link got me to a 2010 meeting but sage is not mentioned [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:16:32 PM] AFAIK he never gave a presentation, just attended a couple meetings. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:17:35 PM] Join markd2 has joined this channel (~markd2@h93.17.17.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:17:44 PM] happylemur: he is/was local? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:18:05 PM] he was as of 2010 according to his entry [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:18:14 PM] According to Beth Lynn, he's still around here. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:18:17 PM] Yes, he moved here (I assume for a job). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:18:44 PM] Personally, I don't think the community necessarily wants to access WPLUG's Web resources unless somebody wants to add an event. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:19:20 PM] "Access" as in contribute to it. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:19:48 PM] In my opinion, regarding what patbarron said, it should be for us to communicate with the public. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:19:50 PM] That's been my impression currently, though I don't know what the majority sentiment was in the past. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:20:28 PM] I agree with centinel and patbarron we need a better avenue of communication with the general public. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:20:43 PM] The wiki has also been used by the board and committees as a place to document what they've done. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:21:15 PM] and it can and still be used for that. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:21:35 PM] Which is why I totally think a wiki should be part of WPLUG's web presence. Though my feeling is, the "front door" should be curated content, so to speak. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:21:57 PM] I understand completely. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:22:05 PM] NOT like a museum though :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:22:30 PM] That sounds perfectly acceptable to me. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:22:48 PM] Wordpress should allow us to channel our twitter acount? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:23:04 PM] as in host wplugs tweets. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:23:10 PM] sure, that could be integrated if we want [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:23:19 PM] Same idea as a museum curator, though. ;-) Someone, or someone(s), acting on behalf of the organization, makes some decisions about what goes there, and what doesn't go there. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:23:26 PM] probably more than a handful of plugins for that [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:24:15 PM] Yeah, I've seen a bunch of sites (Wordpress and otherwise) that use some kind of plugin to create a portal to Twitter content. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:24:29 PM] It's not difficult to do. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:24:40 PM] In fact, I had something like that on my Web site once upon a time. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:24:49 PM] That is a start. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:24:59 PM] Okay, so, pulling everything together so far... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:25:31 PM] We've got the main WordPress site which is curated by a group of individuals. The wiki exists as a repository for legacy documents and a group communication resource. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:26:33 PM] Now...who specifically curates it? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:26:45 PM] I think it should be managed by the Marketing & Communication Committee. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:26:52 PM] Wasn't that the original idea? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:27:16 PM] "Legacy" is probably not the right word, but for things that would be collaborated on. Yeah, I think this is exactly where we were after our previous discussions. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:28:01 PM] Technically speaking, you can designate any WordPress accounts as editors. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:28:48 PM] The LDAP plugins generally aren't deeply integrated, so most settings are controlled on the WordPress side. LDAP is mostly used just to verify a username/password. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:29:45 PM] Which is sort of missing the point of what LDAP is for, but it's most people seem to do ... don't get me started... ;-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:29:53 PM] I would suggest going ahead and setting up WordPress stand-alone. LDAP authentication can be added on later. In the meantime, you'll just have another password to remember. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:30:18 PM] patbarron: yeah, unless we want to write our own plugin the "right" way, we're kind of stuck with what's out there... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:30:41 PM] Right - we should hang Wordpress off of http://wordpress.wplug.org or something, just to get it cooking, and see what we can make it look like. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:31:01 PM] Then move it later when we feel we're ready to flip the switch. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:31:03 PM] sounds like a good idea to me [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:31:10 PM] I guess we're moving ahead as expected. I'm fine with that. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:31:15 PM] When we get this up and pass our strick guidelines then we can start marketing it to the western pa area [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:31:41 PM] I don't see any reason to change direction without more data - which would come from actually trying to run the thing... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:32:37 PM] I mean, I'm totally cool with chucking it later if we look at it, and realize, "Dang, we really made a bad decision here"... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:32:41 PM] What will be our metrics? for acceptability [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:33:20 PM] Heh, that's going to be the real challenge. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:33:23 PM] Participation. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:33:36 PM] We seem to get plenty of visitors to the WPLUG wiki, but you rarely hear from any of them. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:33:59 PM] I don't think we should address metrics until we've figured out how we're going to get to the point where we CAN apply metrics, though. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:34:06 PM] Okay, so this is our plan. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:34:17 PM] How do we set up a hackathon to put this together? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:34:42 PM] I was helping Beth Lynn clean up yesterday. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:35:02 PM] Looking at old sign-in sheets from ~2005, typical meeting attendance was 20-30 people. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:35:27 PM] We could sure use those numbers again [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:35:48 PM] This has always been the puzzle for me ... what were those 20 to 30 people coming for? And why did they stop coming? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:36:06 PM] While usage of the web resources is fine, as I see it the primary goal would be to drive in-person attendance to those levels again. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:36:58 PM] a new website could help just so people don't think we're in the stone age [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:37:01 PM] I'm looking right now at a flyer from 2005. Presentation topics: [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:37:37 PM] 1. Managing a small open source project - the Music Player Daemon project [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:38:15 PM] 2. Flying Linux - Dan V. Klein of Usenix talking about software assurance [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:38:29 PM] 3. Version control with Subversion [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:38:38 PM] 4. MythTV [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:38:44 PM] 5. Regular expressions [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:39:28 PM] happylemur: I clikcked on the past meetings link and 2005 only showed one meeting [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:39:28 PM] #1 and #2 were kind of special since we had unique speakers. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:39:51 PM] The others were just people who had knowledge of the subject talking on that subject. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:09 PM] Kumintu_Terryg: These probably predated the wiki. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:23 PM] happylemur: ah okay thanks [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:24 PM] I don't think I even started using Linux and FOSS until 2006. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:24 PM] This was from April-June 2005. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:46 PM] happylemur: I see the may installfest at CMU [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:40:50 PM] One thing that's interesting to me about those is that they are generally developer-type topics. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:41:38 PM] yeah, as in the topics require a more advanced audience [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:42:00 PM] And that's the audience I've always thought we should be primarily aimed at. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:42:02 PM] we had a lot of developers, or at least really technical users [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:42:09 PM] since you often had to recompile kernels to get sound to work [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:42:22 PM] Yes I remember those days markd2 [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:43:37 PM] It was somehow easy in those days to recompile using a gui [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:43:44 PM] easier [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:44:11 PM] there was a pretty big core of folks that came back month after month [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:44:33 PM] most of which moved out of town as time went on, come to think of it, [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:01 PM] Yes there is the rube. Changing demographics [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:21 PM] We lost a few [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:22 PM] billings, jo2y, bethlynn, evand, zman, mpop, jeremy, rob--, markdude (he might still be in town) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:36 PM] Some presenters were found by just reaching out and seeing who is local. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:49 PM] Warren Dukes of Music Player Daemon was like that. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:45:59 PM] yeah! shank [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:46:19 PM] cam0beans, humansky were two more semiregulars [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:46:25 PM] Join mpop has joined this channel (~mpop@pool-71-178-141-149.washdc.east.verizon.net). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:46:47 PM] surely the number of linux users (mainly desktop people) has gone up over time though, right? or is that a bad assumption on my part? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:46:49 PM] We missed Steve Kondik (cyanogenmod) unfortunately. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:46:59 PM] Yes [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:47:10 PM] * happylemur bows down at markd2's summoning ability [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:47:38 PM] Okay Centinel time to get us on to happier times enough reminicing! [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:48:18 PM] The number of casual linux users may have gone up. Developers I believe have moved to windows or the mac for desktop use, with linux powering backends. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:48:18 PM] No, go right ahead if you've got something else to say about this. I wasn't around for any of it. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:04 PM] Sorry... the point I was making was that you may be able to track down people involved in interesting projects that are local. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:12 PM] I don't I was around but not always "here" [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:28 PM] It's just not always obvious they're here. You may need to stalk them on Facebook or something. :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:33 PM] Beth Lynn mentioned somebody named "Klaatu." [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:33 PM] There's a dude from BrandingBrand that comes to cocoaheads. he might know of some folks there that might be interesting [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:43 PM] similarly we have a dude from Rand Corporation. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:49:46 PM] klaatu, i know him. seth. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:50:07 PM] ah yes he does pod casting [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:50:31 PM] only to be known as klaatu :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:50:43 PM] unless he's on irc, then he's notklaatu [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:11 PM] klaatu's podcast: http://gnuworldorder.info/ [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:33 PM] he works at Pittsburgh Filmmakers [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:36 PM] Yeah, she said he was quite a character. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:37 PM] unless something changed [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:46 PM] markd2: has BrandingBrand blown up? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:51:56 PM] gonffen: they [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:52:02 PM] re still going great guns apparntly [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:52:29 PM] they're hosting a cocoaheads off-time meeting (which someone else is organizing) "code and commiserate" [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:52:32 PM] place is crazy, two-three years ago they had like 10 employees or something [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:52:57 PM] Alright, so how can this all tie in with the Web site? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:53:15 PM] (not trying to interrupt you two, markd2 and gonffen) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:53:37 PM] It's a great conversation, but we need to square away the WordPress plans. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:53:43 PM] (that's ok - ya'll are trying to work :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:53:59 PM] ^ [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:54:25 PM] okay, well we need to set a date/time to hack away on the site [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:54:39 PM] Set up a day in August or September where we hack [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:54:48 PM] Not to mention a place - or could it / should it be entirely virtual? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:00 PM] Here's an idea: maybe we could get a few well-known locals to help us gather support for it. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:05 PM] or both? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:05 PM] both are mostly-unhelpfull answers :P [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:20 PM] monkeybot: die [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:20 PM] Kumintu_Terryg: I do not understand you... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:25 PM] Keeping in mind that Ohio LinuxFest is mid-September. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:41 PM] I thought it was late .. september [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:47 PM] September is going to involve a lot of travel for me. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:49 PM] It is. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:55:53 PM] OLF this year is Sept 13-15. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:02 PM] I stand corrected. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:10 PM] Oh well then perhaps in late Sept. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:32 PM] I think we're missing out on a great opportunity if we don't try to do something of our own when we're at Ohio Linuxfest. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:33 PM] August and July (after the 8th) are much better for me. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:50 PM] We should make a point to at least have the CMS running as quickly as possible. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:56:56 PM] I've never been to one, so correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't people generally arrive a day or two early? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:11 PM] We can certainly organize an Ohio LinuxFest carpool. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:14 PM] thursday, right vance? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:15 PM] Okay what could be setup for OLF? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:38 PM] Something. There will be a lot of people there early without a whole lot to do. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:40 PM] My experience (in the couple times I've been, and my limited observations) has been that people generally seem to arrive the night before, and there's usually some OLF-sponsored get-together that evening. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:41 PM] i usually show up late friday night (1 AM saturday morning last year, unfortunately) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:43 PM] OLF schedule: Friday is the Early Penguin talks (free), plus OLF Institute classes (paid). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:44 PM] I have a 5 passenger 4 comfortably [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:49 PM] vehicle [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:55 PM] Ah. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:57:59 PM] Well, so much for that. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:58:06 PM] Saturday is the main talk schedule and expo. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:58:17 PM] Sunday is the certification exams. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:58:27 PM] are there friday BOFs happylemur ? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:58:55 PM] I think BOFs will be Friday night after the talks and classes. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:59:13 PM] BOFs? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:59:18 PM] In the past they haven't been well publicized but I think they're going to try harder this year. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:59:21 PM] Birds of Feathers [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:59:39 PM] flock together [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [03:59:42 PM] gotcha [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:01:11 PM] What do you think about reaching out to well-known locals for the hackathon? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:01:17 PM] brb [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:02:05 PM] Centinel: like the aforementioned klaatu? is roland hess (the Blender guy) still in the area? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:02:19 PM] just trying to think of people that are somewhat known anyway [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:02:24 PM] That would be cool, though I'm not sure who there is well known in the Linux community, locally, these days. I know Dan Klein is still around, though I dunno if he'd have time... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:02:54 PM] Absolutely. There's SNAPgh, another one was the guy who organized the former Pittsburgh coding dojo... will have to dig up his name. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:03:12 PM] Yeah, like Klaatu. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:03:14 PM] I guess. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:03:26 PM] is Tom Lane still in the area? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:03:27 PM] Quit mpop has left this server (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:03:52 PM] I don't think so, though I'd have to verify - been quite a while since I saw anything from him. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:04:26 PM] there briefly was a postgresql user's group and he showed up [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:04:43 PM] I think Roland Hess (harkyman) is still around, yes. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:05:27 PM] Quit human39 has left this server (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:05:33 PM] I basically only remember Tom from when he was at CMU. ;-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:05:40 PM] We need help and we need space. People like that could help us. So...yeah. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:06:04 PM] Join human39 has joined this channel (~human39@c-71-236-110-155.hsd1.pa.comcast.net). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:06:35 PM] Well, if we can get Dan Klein interested, we might be able to scare up space at Google... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:07:11 PM] I'll poke him, and his boss at Google (they're both friends of mine), see if there's any interest. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:08:36 PM] sounds good [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:08:39 PM] Another possibility: if any of you read thedailywtf.com, two of their contributors (Remy Porter and Mark Bowytz) are in Pgh. Not free-software specific, but certainly tech-oriented. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:08:46 PM] What's Eric Cooper up to these days? He does show himself on our mailing lists from time to time, but not sure if he's currently involved in any brick-and-mortar concerns. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:08:52 PM] Sounds good. I'd like to see what we could get through people like that before announcing anything definite. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:09:12 PM] There might be a few people from the Bitcoin Users group that might be willing to help. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:09:16 PM] Right - nothing can be announced until it's in the the can... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:09:18 PM] So we get access to a site for our hackfest.... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:09:25 PM] I know at least one of their member, Colin Dean, from college. He's pretty hardcore. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:10:07 PM] Whatwill we use php, ruby, python...? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:10:19 PM] WordPress is PHP. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:10:29 PM] Oh so only php? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:10:46 PM] I don't think there's much other choice in the case of Wordpress... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:11:16 PM] I guess you could interface it with whatever you wanted, if you like a challenge. Whitespace? :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:11:47 PM] Whitespace? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:11:47 PM] Whitespace is for Fortran [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:12:05 PM] monkeybot: stop [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:12:05 PM] Kumintu_Terryg: excuse me? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:12:07 PM] If you can point and click, you can use WordPress. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:12:30 PM] Yes, but make it do what I want it to..... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:12:32 PM] [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:13:11 PM] try this again: [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:13:35 PM] The first one worked [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:14:22 PM] i'm sure there's plenty of people that can code PHP (like me). of course, we have to find willing people. that said, i think we'll find most of the plugins we need, and may just have to modify some a bit. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:14:34 PM] But yeah, Centinel is right - for doing what need to be done to get a site up, there'd be very little messing with PHP. That would be mostly if you were writing plugins or something, yes? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:14:38 PM] Join mpop has joined this channel (~mpop@pool-71-178-141-149.washdc.east.verizon.net). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:11 PM] This particular form of "hackfest" wouldn't be about writing code - it would be more like, "Nobody leaves this room until the site is online." :-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:14 PM] As I see it, it's really a sysadmin task rather than a programming task. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:23 PM] (What Pat said.) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:29 PM] Pretty much, yeah. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:41 PM] There are so many WordPress extensions out there that I doubt we'd need to code anything at all. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:44 PM] if we need something custom, we can likely integrate it later. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:15:51 PM] At least initially. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:16:07 PM] okay gang I have to go cya [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:16:10 PM] and yeah, we'll likely find all we need anyway, like Centinel said. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:17:20 PM] Bye Kumintu_Terryg. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:17:24 PM] Kumintu_Terryg: Okey-dokey, enjoy the rest of the day. Good luck extracting cats from basement. ;-) [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:17:55 PM] So we'll start talking with the popular crowd ASAP. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:03 PM] In the mean time, do we want to do any initial planning? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:10 PM] As in, Web site, plugins we might want to use... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:16 PM] Other than that, I think this is settled for now. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:30 PM] Probably a good idea to look at what themes you like. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:39 PM] I would have to defer in discussions about specifics, to those who know more about Wordpress... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:18:53 PM] We actually did the theme thing, and we have what we think is a nice one... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:19:39 PM] OK, good. Hopefully it isn't too heavyweight (some can incorporate a lot of extras). [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:19:58 PM] Hold on, happylemur, I'll dig it up. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:20:11 PM] The demo page looks terrible, but that's just because they're showing off everything at once. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:20:19 PM] Terrible as in crowded. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:21:01 PM] http://themeforest.net/item/lespaul-retina-responsive-wordpress-theme/4083224 [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:21:13 PM] Click the Live Preview button. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:21:39 PM] Other than me, are there any other WordPress users among us? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:22:01 PM] Getting WP going is a frequent topic on the Linode forums . Some good discussion about caching, etc. I've never used it myself. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:22:48 PM] i'm mostly familiar with drupal and concrete5 as of late, but have used/administered wordpress in the past. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:25:39 PM] I guess Joe and I could try to make progress on that front if we have time. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:25:49 PM] For now, though, let's try to contact whoever we can over the next few weeks. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:25:55 PM] we'll likely want to use the normal things like APC (or some other PHP opcode cache) and Memcache to speed it up on the server side, for instance. getting it going shouldn't be too hard though, since the WP people tend to make that easy. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:26:20 PM] If we can at least announce that prominent people are on board by the time July's GUM rolls around, we'll be in good shape. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:28:14 PM] Anything else? [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:28:15 PM] well, Anything else is an error. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:28:36 PM] Other than shooting monkeybot, I have nothing else at this time... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:29:39 PM] That's that, I guess. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:29:51 PM] I'll post a copy of this on the wiki later tonight. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:30:34 PM] This is a great time for us to reach out to the community. It got us a few speakers for July's GUM, and I'm willing to bet it can get us through a WordPress hackathon. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:30:50 PM] OK - I'll get back and let you all know what I hear from my various friends, I would hope we could at least score a venue out of them, even if not personal participation. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:31:12 PM] that would be great, for sure [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:31:42 PM] Definitely. [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:31:55 PM] And now, it's time for me to finally organize my music collection with Musicbrainz Picard. Make it so! [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:32:09 PM] monkeybot: make it so [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:32:09 PM] patbarron: I do not understand you... [Sunday, June 30, 2013] [04:32:13 PM] Typical...