Oct 28 19:55:18 <happylemur>	There are currently 26 members.
Oct 28 19:56:15 <weber>	running FC11, every time I try to run update, I get: Public key for faad2-libs-2.7-1.fc11.i586.rpm is not installed
Oct 28 19:56:55 <weber>	or similar complaint, app dependent
Oct 28 19:56:58 <code_m>	happylemur: I'll be in attendance if I my job offer doesn't call back...
Oct 28 19:58:58 <happylemur>	Excellent.
Oct 28 19:58:59 <monkeybot>	Excellent. is probably it a party or a service? i'm interested in either
Oct 28 19:59:35 <code_m>	happylemur: should I bring anything, or just myself ?
Oct 28 20:02:32 <happylemur>	Just yourself is fine.
Oct 28 20:02:46 <happylemur>	If you want to help with setup or cleanup, you can sign up on the wiki at <http://www.wplug.org/wiki/Meeting-20091031#Meeting_Staff>.
Oct 28 20:03:07 <happylemur>	If you know for sure you'll be coming, you can sign up to bring donuts or bagels.
Oct 28 20:03:36 <happylemur>	(You'll be reimbursed for those, so keep your receipt.)
Oct 28 20:03:49 <nick_schembri>	hi all
Oct 28 20:04:16 <happylemur>	Howdy Nick.
Oct 28 20:04:33 <happylemur>	I see Mike Semcheski (mhs), Brian Seklecki (_lavalamp), and nick_schembri - any other candidates here?
Oct 28 20:06:41 *	happylemur is Vance Kochenderfer, BTW
Oct 28 20:06:47 <jo2y>	donuts?
Oct 28 20:07:47 <happylemur>	And the promise of *more* donuts.
Oct 28 20:08:12 <nick_schembri>	ii
Oct 28 20:08:24 <code_m>	happylemur: How bout some cider ?
Oct 28 20:08:29 <code_m>	I'll bring cider
Oct 28 20:08:51 <happylemur>	Sounds great to me.
Oct 28 20:11:56 <weber>	Got a question for the candidates:  Do you think wplug would serve the community better if it were a Linux/GNU organization?
Oct 28 20:12:11 <happylemur>	weber: you probably need to update the signing key for RPM <http://fedoraproject.org/keys>
Oct 28 20:13:05 <happylemur>	Thanks for getting the ball rolling, weber.
Oct 28 20:13:46 <happylemur>	Despite the name, WPLUG has historically been broad as far as subject matter goes.
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Oct 28 20:14:11 <happylemur>	We've had talks about BSD and a variety of Free/Open Source technologies.
Oct 28 20:14:33 <happylemur>	If we need to promote that more, I'd be glad to do so.
Oct 28 20:14:57 <weber>	But every time I log in from a Windoz PC I get flamed, even if all my apps are OS
Oct 28 20:16:32 <weber>	So would you be in favor of offering to install free open source apps on people's MS pc's?
Oct 28 20:16:45 <weber>	at Installfests?
Oct 28 20:17:35 <code_m>	do most people bring their laptops or no ?
Oct 28 20:17:44 <happylemur>	I don't know what happens on IRC since I hardly ever come here, but if there's bad behavior we can address that.
Oct 28 20:18:01 <happylemur>	For installfests, we're limited to the available expertise.
Oct 28 20:18:25 <nick_schembri>	I'm not apposed to helping people who have not made the jump yet. 
Oct 28 20:18:49 <happylemur>	I can try to help install stuff on Windows, but honestly don't have experience beyond Win95. :)
Oct 28 20:19:20 <code_m>	happylemur: that's fine, 95 through ME is all the same
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Oct 28 20:20:52 <happylemur>	To back up slightly, in case anyone isn't aware, we're having a question-and-answer session for candidates for the WPLUG board of directors.
Oct 28 20:21:05 <happylemur>	http://www.wplug.org/wiki/Meeting-20091031#Ask_the_Candidates
Oct 28 20:22:20 <happylemur>	At the moment, nick_schembri and myself (Vance Kochenderfer) seem to be the only candidates active.
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Oct 28 20:22:29 <happylemur>	So fire away!
Oct 28 20:24:19 <jo2y>	will there be donuts?
Oct 28 20:25:10 <weber>	virtual doughnuts, low cal, but not very filling
Oct 28 20:25:19 <happylemur>	Is there enough money in the jo2y fund to cover them?
Oct 28 20:25:42 <jo2y>	The jo2y fund dried up years ago.
Oct 28 20:25:53 <jo2y>	they should make new shirts.
Oct 28 20:26:22 <happylemur>	Or give away tote bags, that seems to work for public TV.
Oct 28 20:27:24 <nick_schembri>	I love the idea of more swag. 
Oct 28 20:28:17 <happylemur>	Another way for members to help on Saturday - we need two WPLUG members who are not listed on the ballot to count votes.
Oct 28 20:28:31 <nick_schembri>	shirts, pins, hats and bags. :) 
Oct 28 20:38:01 <weber>	I know that the talk this GUM is about getting more people involved, but what are the candidates idea now?
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Oct 28 20:40:01 <happylemur>	My experience has been interesting talks draw in people.
Oct 28 20:40:32 <happylemur>	We have gotten a stable meeting place.
Oct 28 20:40:46 <nick_schembri>	Consistency every month in the same location has helped. 
Oct 28 20:41:09 <weber>	so how do we get more interesting talks?  have we ever had an invited speaker?
Oct 28 20:43:08 <happylemur>	My suggestion is to recruit anyone who is listening. :)  I encourage anyone who has something they'd like to talk about, or an idea or speaker to suggest, bring it up on the wplug-plan mailing list or to <events@wplug.org>.
Oct 28 20:46:40 <happylemur>	Not sure exactly what you mean by invited speaker, but special talks have been given in the past by Dan Klein and Damian Conway (sp?).
Oct 28 20:46:57 <happylemur>	I believe the latter talk was done in cooperation with the Pittsburgh Perl Mongers.
Oct 28 20:47:28 <happylemur>	We can look at doing more cooperative events like that.
Oct 28 20:47:35 <weber>	What about seeing if other local user group members would be interested, perl, java, etc.
Oct 28 20:50:32 <happylemur>	Yes, a couple years ago the Pittsburgh Technology Council hosted a summit of user group leaders.
Oct 28 20:50:45 <happylemur>	A mailing list was created for communication between groups.
Oct 28 20:51:03 <happylemur>	But sadly, not a lot of enthusiasm was generated.
Oct 28 20:51:38 <happylemur>	We can certainly try again, though.
Oct 28 20:51:38 <jprostko>	think it was just the timing, or the concept in general?
Oct 28 20:52:17 <happylemur>	Difficult to say - Beth Lynn and I were there - there seemed to be interest at the meeting.
Oct 28 20:52:40 <happylemur>	But over time, it didn't really materialize.
Oct 28 20:53:12 <happylemur>	If we can get the PTC on board, there may be a chance.
Oct 28 20:53:28 <weber>	That may be the problem "over time", volunteers need to be asked to do something specific and now.
Oct 28 20:53:37 <happylemur>	But they have changed personnel, and I am not familiar with who is in that position now.
Oct 28 20:54:43 <weber>	They are next to the building where I work. Would you like me to walk over and find out who's in charge?
Oct 28 20:56:27 <happylemur>	That would be great - Jared Roberts used to deal with user groups.  I tried calling PTC about a year ago, but didn't get a clear answer as to who filled in that position.
Oct 28 20:56:51 <weber>	I'll start checking tomorrow.
Oct 28 20:57:06 <happylemur>	Thanks!
Oct 28 20:57:42 <weber>	So time is nearly up, any statements from the candidates?
Oct 28 20:58:17 <nick_schembri>	It is my goal to keep it simple.  I will not over promise. I will deliver.  
Oct 28 20:59:08 <happylemur>	I put mine up at <http://www.wplug.org/wiki/Meeting-20091031#Candidate_Statements> and will bug the others to do the same.
Oct 28 20:59:30 <happylemur>	Other than that, I'd reiterate the call for people to suggest topics and speakers.
Oct 28 21:00:05 <happylemur>	You can do that on the main wplug discussion list, on the wplug-plan list, or to <events@wplug.org>.
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Oct 28 21:00:49 <happylemur>	D'oh!
Oct 28 21:01:13 <jprostko>	happylemur:  i sent a few suggestions the other week.  i still have to join wplug this weekend though at my first meeting!
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Oct 28 21:02:45 <happylemur>	jprostko: cool - did you send to events@?  I don't get mail to that address but can bug the people who do to respond.
Oct 28 21:03:27 <jprostko>	yeah, sent to events
Oct 28 21:03:50 <jprostko>	just some ideas for things i could talk about anyways
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Oct 28 21:04:16 *	eksortso is late
Oct 28 21:04:20 <happylemur>	Great.  I can be reached at <vance@happylemur.com>.
Oct 28 21:04:33 <happylemur>	eksortso: glad you could come!
Oct 28 21:04:51 <happylemur>	If you have a statement to make, please do.
Oct 28 21:04:52 <eksortso>	happylemur: hey Vance! glad to be here for a change.
Oct 28 21:05:07 <eksortso>	a statement?
Oct 28 21:05:21 <eksortso>	umm...
Oct 28 21:05:27 <happylemur>	As in, vote for me because...
Oct 28 21:05:59 <eksortso>	right, tho I think you made a compelling case for being secretary for another year...
Oct 28 21:06:09 <happylemur>	You can always add it to the wiki at <http://www.wplug.org/wiki/Meeting-20091031#Candidate_Statements>.
Oct 28 21:06:19 <eksortso>	one thing I'd like to help with is--
Oct 28 21:06:35 <eksortso>	happylemur: well, I'll do that once I'm done saying it here ;)
Oct 28 21:07:32 <eksortso>	one thing I'd like to help promote is dynamic languages. Stuff like Python, Perl, Ruby, etc.
Oct 28 21:08:41 <eksortso>	I'm admin on the wplug and wplug-market mailing lists, and I'll keep doing that...
Oct 28 21:09:17 <eksortso>	and I would like to help with the wiki. I can find time for that, and I'll start at the TODO page.
Oct 28 21:09:50 <eksortso>	is there anyone here who doesn't know me?
Oct 28 21:10:14 <eksortso>	monkeybot: do you know me?
Oct 28 21:10:14 <monkeybot>	next time, try asking someone who cares..., eksortso
Oct 28 21:10:19 <eksortso>	heh
Oct 28 21:10:35 <happylemur>	monkeybot: eksortso is David Ostroske.
Oct 28 21:10:35 <monkeybot>	OK, happylemur.
Oct 28 21:10:49 <eksortso>	thanks, happylemur 
Oct 28 21:11:00 <eksortso>	monkeybot: do you know me?
Oct 28 21:11:01 <monkeybot>	i heard eksortso was David Ostroske.
Oct 28 21:11:09 <eksortso>	you heard right!
Oct 28 21:11:38 <eksortso>	how did the Meet The Candidates thing go tonight?
Oct 28 21:11:54 <happylemur>	eksortso: to paraphrase an earlier question from weber, what would you do to get more people involved with WPLUG?
Oct 28 21:13:39 <eksortso>	well, like I mentioned, I'd like to get developers interested in us. We've had good turnouts in the past when we've held technical talks. And I'd love to find more developers in the Pgh area who are interested in Python and other open-source languages.
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Oct 28 21:15:05 <happylemur>	The Meet the Candidates session was rather lightly attended, but weber provided several good questions.
Oct 28 21:15:16 <eksortso>	though, any means of promoting wplug's social get-togethers is a good thing in my eyes.
Oct 28 21:15:30 <eksortso>	weber: are you still here?
Oct 28 21:16:08 <happylemur>	eksortso: Nick and I were the only candidates participating until you arrived.
Oct 28 21:16:40 <eksortso>	wow...
Oct 28 21:16:52 <happylemur>	I'll post the chat log to the wiki.  I'll give it another ten minutes or so.
Oct 28 21:17:27 <eksortso>	i remember these MTC events in the past, but I had forgotten about this one until the last minute. I'm technically still at work.
Oct 28 21:18:30 <eksortso>	well, let's see, can I add anything else to the log before I get back to work?...
Oct 28 21:18:30 <happylemur>	Matt Hughes is probably at work, too.
Oct 28 21:19:02 <eksortso>	he definitely is. he's hoping to switch to daylight shift in the near future, though.
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Oct 28 21:19:55 <eksortso>	Matt's behind a firewall. I have a little more latitude, but I wouldn't push it.
Oct 28 21:20:33 <eksortso>	Matt is a good guy, BTW. He's worth getting your vote.
Oct 28 21:21:34 <eksortso>	i had a past goal of getting local medical community involved...
Oct 28 21:21:46 <eksortso>	that didn't go very far, though...
Oct 28 21:22:03 <eksortso>	but one of the Python guys I'm talking to is a doctor...
Oct 28 21:22:39 <eksortso>	maybe i can somehow leapfrog from that back to the local medical community.
Oct 28 21:23:06 <eksortso>	i'm simply interested in the day-to-day operations of wplug.
Oct 28 21:23:35 <happylemur>	Beth Lynn's mother would be another good person to talk to.  She's a VA nurse and very interested in medical transformation via technology.
Oct 28 21:24:15 <eksortso>	oh yeah, absolutely. she gave a presentation at a BOF at OLF this year, didn't she?
Oct 28 21:24:38 <happylemur>	Yes, unfortunately I wasn't able to attend that.
Oct 28 21:25:02 <eksortso>	i only caught part of it. unfortunately, it took place during lunch.
Oct 28 21:25:22 <happylemur>	I'll send you her contact info.
Oct 28 21:25:41 <eksortso>	that'd be cool. thanks, Vance.
Oct 28 21:26:01 <happylemur>	Last call - anyone have anything else they want to say on the record before I close the log?
Oct 28 21:26:03 <eksortso>	i'm surprised that she hasn't presented at wplug before.
Oct 28 21:26:48 <eksortso>	well...
Oct 28 21:27:15 <eksortso>	i'll put out the call that went out earlier this year...
Oct 28 21:27:45 <eksortso>	it's not the same as the Gandhi-CON quote that we're familiar with, but it proves that we're making progress...
Oct 28 21:28:01 <eksortso>	"Be the change that you want to see in the world"...
Oct 28 21:28:06 <eksortso>	or something like that...
Oct 28 21:28:30 <eksortso>	we've seen activity on the mailing lists slow down a little in recent years...
Oct 28 21:28:54 <eksortso>	but i still think that there's interesting stuff that we can do, useful stuff...
Oct 28 21:29:57 <eksortso>	Vance, Dave Kraus, (who else? I forgot) putting wireless into the school bldg is a good thing...
Oct 28 21:30:11 <eksortso>	(and there's more to do on that, isn't there?)
Oct 28 21:30:32 <eksortso>	maybe we can take that momentum and apply it in another direction...
Oct 28 21:31:15 <eksortso>	if we can find a direction to go... other schools or organizations that could use Linux and open source, we could offer to help...
Oct 28 21:31:47 <happylemur>	Nick, Greg Simkins, Christine Rial, and Beth Lynn helped with the wireless also
Oct 28 21:31:57 <eksortso>	in a sense, all i can do is listen, but in Python I find myself taking initiatives, and that's why I'm promoting that way tonight.
Oct 28 21:32:10 <eksortso>	thanks, Vance
Oct 28 21:33:10 <eksortso>	wplug has always been whatever we've wanted to make of it, that's always been the way it's been.
Oct 28 21:33:30 <eksortso>	i think that's why it's still a great thing to be a part of.
Oct 28 21:33:47 <happylemur>	That sounds like a good note to end on.
Oct 28 21:34:16 <happylemur>	We now return you to your normal discussion.
Oct 28 21:34:57 <happylemur>	Thanks to all who participated, and be sure to come to the election!
Oct 28 21:35:37 <happylemur>	11:00am this Saturday at the Wilkins School Community Center.