*** Logfile started *** on Thu May 2 18:56:22 2013 [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:56:22 PM] Join You have joined the channel #wplugboard (~justin@dynamic-acs-24-154-117-121.zoominternet.net). [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:56:22 PM] Topic The channel topic is "WPLUG Board of Directors meeting 05/02/2013". [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:56:22 PM] Topic The topic was set by patbarron!~patbarron@129.33.1.38 on 05/02/13 06:31 PM. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:56:22 PM] Mode Channel modes: invite only, no messages from outside, secret [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:56:22 PM] Created This channel was created on 05/02/13 06:30 PM. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:57:17 PM] Greetings [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:57:42 PM] I'm not normally the type to take pictures of my food, but I must say I'm very proud of the taco salad I made. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:58:28 PM] I advocate being proud of anything you cook for yourself. I do it so rarely these days, I always consider it an achivement. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:59:01 PM] Yeah, it's hard to find the time to cook. Usually. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:59:16 PM] Yesterday was my last day at the temp job I was at, so I've got some more free time now. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:59:22 PM] I like cooking. It's the cleaning up after that I can never seem to find time for... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [06:59:41 PM] I did cook last night. I managed clean most of it, but the uncleaned pan is still on the stove. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:01:06 PM] I've had no time this week. Customers going nuts, and all of my developers are off at a coference this week. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:01:45 PM] Well, I certainly sympathize with anyone who works in a customer service role. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:01:56 PM] Or "damage control," as the case may be. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:02:15 PM] Had one customer get their sales rep to raise their problem report to Sev 1, turns out they found a bug in Android (not in our stuff...). Not sure what we'll end up doing with that... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:02:33 PM] But *only* on Android as implemented by Samsung.... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:02:42 PM] Ah, the Touchwiz crap. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:02:50 PM] Yeah, manufacturer skins are a huge liability. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:03:17 PM] Part of the problem with Samsung's variant is that they use a LOT of antiquated code. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:03:27 PM] Something they (Samsung) did is screwing up Apache Cordova (the plugin that lets HTML5 apps use device-specific features). It's *not* our fault, but the customer really doesn't care... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:04:38 PM] Oh, yeah = and the other thing keeping me busy this week, researching my legal defense for the rather signficant speeding ticket I got last Friday morning.... That sucks. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:04:40 PM] Well, at the very least, Samsung is better about fixing problems than most of the other manufacturers. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:04:59 PM] There must be a way to contact them. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:05:33 PM] Or, heck, if Samsung won't play ball, poke around XDA and see if anyone knows what could be done. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:05:55 PM] The "boys in the lab" are going to try to find a workaround, at least that iwll make our stuff stop breaking. Reason customer is so pissed, everything worked fine before they upgraded *our* software. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:06:23 PM] Fortunately, the dev guys are very good. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:06:58 PM] Oh, that's the worst situation to be in. "Everything was fine until YOU messed it up!" [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:07:10 PM] Yep. That's exactly it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:04 PM] Join jprostko has joined this channel (~jprostko@dynamic-acs-24-112-240-31.zoominternet.net). [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:17 PM] Really, the biggest problem with "fragmentation" in Android is manufacturers like Samsung and HTC who insist on making their own variants. If they were using the same codebase as AOSP, things would be a lot easier. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:31 PM] Hey Joe. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:36 PM] hey [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:41 PM] just got home [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:08:43 PM] Yeah, it's the only thing I really "like" about Apple. iOS is pretty much iOS, they control it totally. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:09:33 PM] Well, we have a quorum here now, and Terry never did get back to me so he may not join. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:09:41 PM] okay, business time? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:09:49 PM] Yeah, let's do it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:10:15 PM] So, we'll call the meeting to order. First item on the queue - May 11th, I presume. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:10:55 PM] I'm in favor. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:11:02 PM] That's not a lot of time to prepare. We'll have to come up with a plan for who's responsible for what before I'm willing to agree to that. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:11:48 PM] Do youi prefer to push it out a week? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:12:33 PM] understandable, centinel [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:12:42 PM] I guess that would make the planning a bit more reasonable. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:12:56 PM] 5/18 then? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:13:18 PM] I'm cool with that too, but I will have to call CLP and reschedule the room before we can announce it. I would say, though, let's just proceed as if that's the plan then. I would vote in favor of 5/18 [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:13:53 PM] okay, i'm for the 18th as well too. hopefully there are no issues rescheduling. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:13:55 PM] (I don't think the room at CLP is very busy, I don't anticipate an issue) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:14:05 PM] I think that's the best course of action. We've been stumbling a bit in terms of planning, and a week isn't a lot of time to attract people. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:14:24 PM] I'll vote for that. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:14:46 PM] I'm cool with all that, and I like the extra week, at least that will give me time to unpack my Pi's and do something with them. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:14:46 PM] Tentatively. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:15:13 PM] There are a couple of events I'm obligated to go to later this month, but I can't remember exactly when they are. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:15:23 PM] Did you happen to see the note I sent to the mailing list earlier with "things we'll need"? Like, material things, to do the demos.... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:15:25 PM] I'd look them up in my email, but my host is having trouble. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:15:54 PM] No, my email has been down. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:16:32 PM] Basically, I was just brainstorming about "things we'll have to bring", like montiors, keyboards, power supplies, etc. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:16:48 PM] WHen your e-mail is back up, review it and let me know if I've missed anything? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:17:09 PM] Alright, that's fine. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:17:28 PM] In terms of what each of us is going to do, though, we need to settle that. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:17:54 PM] And did either of you read over the email where I mentioned Usenet? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:18:11 PM] yes, and pat replied to that bit [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:18:14 PM] Yes, I did... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:19:22 PM] What I said, basically, is that we can't say anything in the event announcement that makes it appear that we're encouraging people to pirate movies and stuff. But if it happens to come up during the demo, we can certainly go over what people are using things for "in the wild", without appearing to advocate anything in particular. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:20:17 PM] that sounds sane to me [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:20:37 PM] That's pretty much what I was getting at, yeah. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:20:53 PM] A lot of "how-to" Web sites put up a disclaimer that it's for "educational purposes only" [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:21:28 PM] We do have to think about networking, in terms of what we'll be doing. Remember, no wired networking at CLP. Not sure if things like BitTorrent are filtered. I have a hacked-up WRT54G we could bring as a wired-to-wireless bridge, if it might make life easier for us. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:21:59 PM] Or we could just use someone's phone (mine) as a wireless hotspot. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:22:26 PM] But that's more of a backup option. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:22:28 PM] Can't use mine like that anymore - T-Mobile shut it down for me. Bastards... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:22:41 PM] they caught you, pat? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:22:51 PM] Oh, p'shaw! You should have told me. It's simple to get around blocks like that. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:22:56 PM] i always fake my user agent string [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:23:22 PM] I wouldn't say "caught", just more like they used to didn't care, now they do... I don't know how to fake the UA string with the built-in browser... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:23:39 PM] oh, weird. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:23:55 PM] What you do is use something like PDAnet that masks traffic without you having to do anything. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:24:09 PM] Or you could always flash a custom ROM, but I'm guessing you want to stay stock. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:24:33 PM] Yeah, on this phone, anyway - that'd be about $500 to replace if I screwed it up. One of the last T-Mobile subsidized phones... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:25:14 PM] It's pretty damn hard to brick a phone unless you're downloading warez and random crap. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:25:30 PM] And you can still get T-Mobile subsidized devices at third-party retailers like Best Buy and Costco. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:25:31 PM] Anyway, I know I want to do at least one demo that shows the Model A running totally off batteries. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:25:51 PM] They didn't want to sign on to the "Uncarrier" plans because they don't offer retailers enough compensation. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:26:33 PM] I've heard that there are tutorials where people turn their Pi into a portable music player. Maybe something like that? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:26:47 PM] pat, i want to see one running off of solar cells :) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:27:21 PM] That could work. I wish there was something useful I could demo using the GPIO. I've been having plans of putting one in a model rocket and doing various types of telemetry. Not an indoor project, of course. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:28:11 PM] It doesn't have to be an indoor project, though. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:28:18 PM] Solar cells could work outdoors too - Model A doesn't use much juice... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:28:40 PM] If you're looking for a relatively simple GPIO demo, you could pick up an infrared receiver and set up LIRC. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:29:08 PM] There are plenty of projects where having a remote control would be beneficial. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:29:28 PM] Particularly media stuff [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:29:32 PM] IR receivers are only a couple of bucks, and I've seen cheap remotes at Adafruit for not too much. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:30:07 PM] I have a ton of remotes for dead devices at home... This could work. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:30:29 PM] Yeah, look it up. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:31:14 PM] The "meat" of our program will probably have to be handled by Pat and me since Joe and Terry don't actually have a Pi. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:31:29 PM] That's not to say that Joe and Terry can't contribute anything, though. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:31:30 PM] My current idea for the Model B probably doesn't interest many people but me, but I think I can build the Worlds Smallest Websphere App Server... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:31:58 PM] (I'm obviously open to other thoughts...) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:32:29 PM] patbarron: that sounds like a cool plan. :) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:32:50 PM] The Websphere idea sounds fine. IBM deserves some props for the backpacks they donated. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:32:59 PM] It'd be *slow*, but we'll have the room for a couple hours. ;-) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:33:58 PM] Websphere Liberty Profile (the "free" one that anyone can download and run) should run on a Model B. Full-blown Websphere Application Server (the whole Java EE envrionment and all), they don't recommend running in anything less than 8 gig of physical RAM.... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:34:36 PM] Liberty Profile is not Open Source, but it is freely available. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:35:48 PM] pat, very cool. i was wondering about cost and all of that of websphere. didn't know about liberty profile. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:36:00 PM] If you can't come, Joe, can you think of anything you'd be able to contribute to any of the three projects we're cooking here? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:36:14 PM] It's kind of like Tomcat, except it's not. ;-) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:37:29 PM] I don't know how you'd go about doing this, but Pat, would you be able to produce images of the projects you're talking about? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:37:51 PM] I think it'd be nice if people could just grab images of what we're doing. It'd be a neat bonus. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:38:01 PM] You know, an image of your Model A with LIRC set up... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:38:28 PM] centinel: maybe i could produce some slides about stuff like nfs/smb/dlna or something. either that or i could buy a pi and port Haiku to it fully by the time of the meeting, hehe. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:38:42 PM] "Images" you mean .img files to burn on to SD cards? Yeah, thinking about that. Think I'm going to do the intitial build on QEMU, and build the image from there. Then you can just use "dd" to dump it to SD cards. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:39:23 PM] Good, good. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:39:35 PM] Yeah, think about what you want to do, Joe. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:40:06 PM] Since this is a workshop and not just a demonstration, having images available would let people jump right in on their own. This is good. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:40:25 PM] OK, so we have three demos to cook up. Plus, of course, the opportunity for peple to get "hands on", as most have probably heard of Raspberrry Pi, but never had physical access to one. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:40:42 PM] (Yet...) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:41:14 PM] Well, my Pi is technically already set up. It's sitting in my family room. I was watching a video on it before this. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:41:23 PM] I can just bring it with me. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:41:45 PM] I asked this in my e-mail that you haven't seen yet, but since you are here - these can just run off a cell phone charger, right? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:03 PM] i should probably get one regardless. my boxee box is getting more irrelevant by the day, unfortunately. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:04 PM] Yeah, as long as the charger is rated for 700 mA or greater. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:21 PM] there are still USB power issues, right? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:32 PM] In what regard? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:36 PM] if you put in a wifi adapter or something...if my recall is correct. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:42:39 PM] Think I'm good there. I have a rechargeable battery box I'm going to run the A off of... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:43:02 PM] Well, if you want to run USB devices, you're better off using a charger that's rated for at least 1 amp. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:43:08 PM] recall people saying you needed a 1A USB to power it if you plug in too much crap. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:43:20 PM] yeah, okay [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:43:35 PM] I'm using a charger that's rated for 1.5A. No issues to report. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:44:04 PM] Yeah, if you're not satisfied with the Boxee box, by all means, pick up a Pi. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:44:11 PM] Raspbmc couldn't be easier to use. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:44:44 PM] Alright, so it sound slike that's settled. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:44:49 PM] Hold on, there's someone at the door. BRB. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:44:52 PM] well, boxee box still gets used by me every day (like Spotify right now), but it hasn't seen an update in 14 months, and gradually less things are working. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:45:02 PM] anyway, next item after he answers the door. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:45:27 PM] pat, did you cancel your plans? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:45:54 PM] Pollster. Ugh. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:46:20 PM] Yeah, I was going to go to Pghrb, there was a talk on Ruby internals, and a friend wanted to talk to me about help finding a new job. I'll catch the presentation on video replay, and catch up with my friend later. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:46:21 PM] i always hide when i can. :) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:46:50 PM] I never answer the door, unless I'm expecting someone. Don't care if people can see someone moving around inside the house or whatever, don't matter to me... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:47:03 PM] (In other words, if you're coming to my house, call first... :-) ) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:47:39 PM] Ah, my email is back up. I just got a notification for Pat's email. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:48:17 PM] There was something else I wanted to say about the workshop, but it can wait. What's next? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:48:50 PM] Do we want to discuss the date for the June GUM at this point? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:49:52 PM] 6/8 is a bit early now that the may lug has been delayed a week. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:49:56 PM] I think it's best to hold off on that until I can confirm the exact date of my plans later this month. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:50:10 PM] OK, we'll table that for now. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:50:23 PM] Did anyone get a chance to read the Stripe T&C's? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:50:40 PM] Yeah. They have some pretty zany things in there. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:50:49 PM] I'm afraid we won't be able to offer WPLUG mail-order brides, guys. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:51:16 PM] Or even WPLUG drug paraphenelia lookalikes. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:51:24 PM] Yeah, and there goes the gambling site I was thinking we could set up, too. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:51:55 PM] But anyway, the thing that really caught my eye was the audit clause. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:52:03 PM] yeah, the audit clause [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:52:07 PM] Yeah, if they think there's a security problem or whatever. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:52:10 PM] was just re-reading it again [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:52:24 PM] This probably doesn't surprise you, but I'm not worried about it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:52:41 PM] i'm still confused how us screwing up would affect them exactly. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:53:11 PM] well, unless we get hacked and then that person finds some private api that has a hole in it or something. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:53:13 PM] I think this is partially driven by the fact that they are the "merchant of record". [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:53:21 PM] And possibly PCI stuff. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:53:54 PM] Anyway, is the (small, but present) risk of being subjected to this clause worth the trade-off for being able to accept electronic payments. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:54:32 PM] I'm leaning towards "yes", and assuming if the request comes in and we can't do it, they primary consequence is they just shut the account down. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:54:50 PM] Unless someone has a better alternative in mind, I'm in favor of this. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:55:08 PM] I would, however, like to know what you all think about accepting bitcoin payments. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:55:17 PM] I am also. I think the risk/benefit trade is reasonable. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:55:18 PM] In addition to Stripe, not in place of it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:55:22 PM] yeah, i still think stripe is the way to go [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:55:32 PM] Just as a curiosity. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:56:40 PM] with respect to btc, even though i've been mining them for a couple years (i think), i still don't think they are good for payment. also, i wonder what happens if somehow it is attempted to be regulated in the US. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:56:59 PM] I think Bitcoin subjects us to the volatility of the Bitcoin market, and that the feds will eventually totally put the kibosh on the exchanges. But it's possible for hit-and-run payments (someone pays in Bitcoin at an acceptable rate, and we exchange immediately) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:57:33 PM] The feds have already declared that the exchanges are subject to regulation and licensing as money transmitters. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:58:07 PM] yeah, i had to go through a whole bunch of AML stuff to use mtgox and dwolla for btc. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:58:32 PM] (in other words, send in a photo of my driver's license) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:59:27 PM] So basically, why can't the member / prospective member just exchange the Bitcoins themselves, and give us the cash? :-) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [07:59:57 PM] i guess it would be good for people who want to be REALLY anonymous [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:00:14 PM] It's really an image enhancer more than a practical addition. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:00:24 PM] People probably look at us and think that we don't do anything new. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:02:08 PM] but yeah, i am kind of indifferent about adding btc. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:02:10 PM] Anyhow, you're right to say that bitcoin's value has fluctuated. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:02:17 PM] i could take it or leave it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:02:28 PM] I thought it might make for an interesting presentation and kind of went from there. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:02:54 PM] What I mean is that I think it would be good if we introduce something...lasting...with each GUM. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:03:14 PM] I think the whole Bitcoin concept actually would make an interesting presentation. I would just stop short of actually accepting them as payment for anything. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:03:14 PM] Not just a presentation, but some sort of improvement. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:03:30 PM] i see what you mean [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:12 PM] That's something we can discuss later, though. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:17 PM] I think for me, the jury is still out about whether Bitcoin really is an improvement, or is actually a worsening... I'm not sure it actually solves a problem for our member people. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:24 PM] i guess a wordpress presentation is in our future then. :) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:39 PM] Possibly, if people want to contribute to it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:42 PM] But let's circle back around to the T&C's - did we all indicate approval? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:04:48 PM] Yeah, I'm fine with them. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:05:19 PM] yes, i'm fine, unless we're audited, then i'm fleeing to mexico. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:05:37 PM] OK, that being said, I will go ahead and submit the forms to "Activate" our account. I do need to get the checking account number and routing number from Terry. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:06:16 PM] Assuming we're approved (they reserve the right to not approve us if we don't meet their risk criteria), we'll be "live" for accepting CC payments. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:06:46 PM] This was the last item on my list of new business. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:07:07 PM] centinel: did you want to go back to point #1? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:07:14 PM] you said you had something else you wanted to talk about. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:07:24 PM] Yeah, just briefly. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:07:36 PM] Affiliate referrals. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:07:55 PM] It might be a good way for us to make money. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:08:14 PM] If people are going to spend money anyway, they may as well help WPLUG. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:08:38 PM] We had actually tossed some ideas about things like this around last year. In principle, it's a good plan. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:09:11 PM] Usenetserver, a very popular Usenet provider, offers $30 for each referred customer. I got the idea when kicking about SABnzbd/Sickbeard/Couch Potato. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:09:23 PM] I'm not as well plugged into this scene as I'd like to be, but I'm willing to scout around for affilate programs too. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:10:35 PM] Or at least some sort of discount to people who attend the event. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:10:54 PM] yeah, i don't know a ton either with respect to referral programs. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:10:57 PM] Like, come to the event and get a coupon for Newark! [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:11:29 PM] i don't think anybody would want a coupon to go to newark, nj. ;) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:11:31 PM] Look around at every organization that may in some way be involved with this presentation. See if you can find any room for affiliate referrals. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:11:38 PM] Do you know if they have such a program? Or is that just for the sake of example? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:11:51 PM] Because that would fit well with the Pi demo [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:12:49 PM] Yeah, UsenetServer actually has that referral program. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:13:13 PM] People can use the referral link to get a special deal on service, too. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:13:27 PM] It's normally ~$15 a month, but if you follow a referral link, it's only $10 a month. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:13:57 PM] Well, lets scout it out. I don't think people would want coupons for IBM... ;-) But yeah, I'll take the to-do to look at Newark/Element14, for instance. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:14:16 PM] (Just thinking in connection with this presentation, for the moment) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:15:01 PM] Newark sent me a 15% off coupon that they claim is good through July as often as I care to use it. It probably only works for my account, though. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:15:18 PM] sounds good to me to explore these things. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:16:00 PM] obviously we get referral credit for linode, so we should look at other things...preferably ones that provide value to those using the codes. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:16:19 PM] (i have 3 vps's...none of which are linode. bad me!) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:16:25 PM] Yeah, most likely. PACC had trouble, O'Reilly sent them some discount codes to pass out at raffiles. But the newsletter editor made the mistake of printing a picture of the coupon in the newsletter, others used the codes, and the people who won them couldn't get their books.... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:16:41 PM] Well, buy a Linode one - collect the whole set! [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:17:18 PM] We should make a wiki page (for now...), where all this info is collected all in one place. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:17:41 PM] two of my vps's are in austria. another one is in seattle. :) only one is kvm, the other two are openvz. linode would give me zen to finish off my technologies. :) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:17:46 PM] We have the Linode referral link, for instance, and I'm not sure anyone even knows about it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:18:09 PM] Absolutely. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:18:27 PM] good idea about the wiki page. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:19:07 PM] Do we have any other items of business to consider this evening? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:19:52 PM] nothing from me. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:19:55 PM] Nope. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:20:16 PM] OK, let's adjorn then. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:20:29 PM] Outside of the meeting, though... Just something to think about... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:21:13 PM] We have our PHP 5.3 on the server now. Remember we were talking about a "Just get together and hack on it until it works" kind of event for the CMS, amd maybe other stuff? Let's think about how we could do that. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:21:28 PM] No decisions now - just over the next few days, consider the idea. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:22:00 PM] Yeah, it's worth thinking about. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:22:12 PM] I need to start working on Tiny Tiny RSS, too. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:22:32 PM] Like, maybe grab a conference room down here over a weekend, or at some other facility, even a hotel suite.... And just "nobody leaves this room until this all works".... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:23:08 PM] We could do it virtual, too - but then we couldn't order pizza and stuff. Virtual pizza isn't very good. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:23:33 PM] I don't think Joe and I could eat the pizza, but I get what you're saying. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:24:18 PM] It could even be a "community" event if we had the right place to do it, maybe even convince people like Ted to come and help. If anyone can ever find him again... [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:24:53 PM] he's still missing, huh? [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:25:31 PM] Yeah. I talked to my friend at PNC, I'm told he's "alive and well and making my life at PNC more interesting"... But nobody non-work-related reports seeing him. Even Bethlynn can't get hold of him. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:26:18 PM] Dave Sevick tried to go to PNC in person to track him down, but couldn't locate him. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:26:27 PM] That's so weird. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:26:47 PM] I don't know how the Computer Reach event last weekend ended up working out. Ted apparnetly disappeared with all their imaging equipment. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:26:51 PM] Maybe he worked so hard that he achieved spiritual enlightenment and now exists as a non-corporeal entity. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:27:20 PM] haha [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:27:59 PM] He is one with the machine. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:17 PM] Well, with that, I will bid you gentlemen adieu... I have to go feed kitties. I'm still at work, because I wanted to be left in peace during this meeting. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:19 PM] i disappear from online stuff, but never real life. for instance, i've been holding off a Libtool commit for weeks, which i would have done the first day if somebody was in person demanding it. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:33 PM] okay, bye pat. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:49 PM] If you guys want to hang out here, I'll OP you both in case you need to /kickban each other or something. ;-) [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:53 PM] Mode patbarron gives channel operator privileges to you. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:28:57 PM] Mode patbarron gives channel operator privileges to jprostko. [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:29:04 PM] Later! [Thursday, May 02, 2013] [08:29:18 PM] Quit patbarron has left this server (Quit: Leaving).